Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 11 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 386 Today's Topics: APPLE + IBM Agreement ATARI.ENG ATARI LASER PRINTER-WHAT PRINTER TO BUY Atari ST system for sale Final games clearance Hard Disks and the STE Info about PD ST Midi Sequencers and DX librarians ? Lattice C lynx games mac rom/ mono multisync forsale mac rom/multisync mono forsale Mupfel w/Neodesk 3 NCS Demo no subject (file transmission) (2 msgs) Pagestream 2.01 Shipping! PageStream VS Calmus Racter: Is there a ST equivalent anywhere? ST software for sale Two Questions Wanted/For Sale Zoo 2.1 - first impressions Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jul 91 19:23:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@arizona.edu (Chris Mauritz) Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul9.112242.31968@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >Just to get some discussion going: What do you all think will be the >effect on Atari of the recent agreement between Apple and IBM? It seems to me >that it could be deadly. Who knows? It might have a beneficial effect in that it might force Atari to give up the ridiculous idea of making workstations and concentrate on what it is good at, making games machines and little gadgets. Cheers, Chris -- ------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Chris Mauritz |People are strange ritz@msb.com |when you're a stranger. Copyright (C) 1991 |The Doors- ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 12:38:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira .uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ms.maus.de!Patrick_Dubbrow@arizona.edu (Patrick Dubbrow) Subject: ATARI.ENG To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Karsten Isakovic @ B am Di, 09.07.91 10:04 in ATARI.ENG: >Trotzdem waere die Gruppe 'comp.sys.atari.st.tech' wesentlich besser fuer eine >Vernetzung geeignet. [...als comp.sys.atari.st] Das sehe ich genauso. Allerdings scheinen schon jetzt in Atari.Eng beide oben genannten Gruppen zusammengefuehrt zu werden! Gruss, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 15:09:57 ADT From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: ATARI LASER PRINTER-WHAT PRINTER TO BUY To: N No one seemed to have any advice on the merits of buying the new Atari Laser printer(605) versus and other brand of laser printer or jet ink. Finally, I took at face value a review of the HP500 jet ink printer in an issue of Atari ST User at face value where they reported printing times of up to 30 minutes for some pages using TIMEWORKS DTP. In any case the 605 is quieter than my MEGAFILE 30 and I find it fast enough that I don't feel that the printing time is holding up my work. The 605 has a manual paper feeder built right into the paper tray-no need to take out the tray as in the 805. Even though I got a the 805 manual with my 605 I had no trouble setting it up despite some differences. It didn't come with LASERBRAIN the EPSON emulator but I got it from a public domain distributor. It works fine with WORDPERFECT. The only problem I have encountered are the SLM804 drivers that come with LDW and WORDFLAIR II. They don't work with the 605 and TOS 1.4. The SLM805 driver that came with the laser printer does. So if you have problems try the GDOS driver that comes with the laser printer. To finish with a question can someone tell me if NEODESK works okay with GPLUS + and its accessory that allows to load in alternate assign files? That's it. Alyre Chiasson CHIASSAL@UDEM ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 23:37:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!gatech!psuvax1!psuvm!jjl1 01@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: Atari ST system for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari 520 ST SM124 mono monitor SF354 disk drive For sale altogether or as parts will take best offer(s) in the next few weeks. ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 04:01:09 GMT From: tove.cs.umd.edu!hong@mimsy.umd.edu (sze nam hong) Subject: Final games clearance To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The following software are for sale: Stellar Crusade $9 Empire $9 Indy Graphic Adv. $9 Planetarium $9 Computer Hits 1 $7 Street Fighter $4 Axe of Rage $4 The Pawn $6 Shanghai $5 Death Sword $3 Gone Fishing $3 Borrowed Time $3 Death Sword $3 Phantasie III $6. Please add $1 per title for shipping. Order over $15 and I will pay the shipping. hong@tove.umd.edu Sze Hong ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 23:19:57 GMT From: infonode!tensmekl@uunet.uu.net (Kermit Tensmeyer) Subject: Hard Disks and the STE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu When I bought (and finally received) my 1040 STE, I had major problems accessing information on my Supra HD. The dealer replaced my machine and some of the problems went away. Some of the problems remained, ( Arc.ttp (or any executible) executed from any drive, would lock up the system. These problems, do not exist when used with the 1040ST. In desperation I called the Supra tech support line (503 967 9081) (9-4 pst). It was an interesting conversation. After identifing my hard drive, and the target system as a 1040. He wanted to know if it was a ST or a STE. I told that the ST worked and the STE didn't and he asked me what version of the Supra software I had. I told him 3.02. He told me that the current version was 4.26. He got my name and address and told me that a new disk would be in todays mail. My next disk will probably come from Supra. I feel good about Atari computers again. I will most likely order more software from the dealer who replaced my computer. -- Kermit Tensmeyer | Intergraph Corporation UUCP: ...uunet!infonode!tensmekl | One Madison Industrial Park INTERNET: tensmekl@infonode.com | Mail Stop LR23A2 AT&T: (205)730-8127 | Huntsville, AL 35807-4201 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 02:15:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!ljdickey@ arizona.edu (L. J. Dickey) Subject: Info about PD ST Midi Sequencers and DX librarians ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <808@wsl.ie> colm@wsl.ie (Colm Smyth on wsl) writes: >I've an Atari ST, a Yamaha DX11, and a MIDI cable and I'd like to get them >together in a meaningful way! If you know where I can get hold of > > (a) a PD/ShareWare/cheap seqencer program > (b) a ditto DX voice librarian > >please reply by e-mail. Me too. I'd like to try out such a program! -- Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 23:33:35 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc! jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Lattice C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have just received word that there is a 2nd edition manual that is coming with newer versions of Lattice C version 5 that has better documentation on assembly language. My manual is the 1st edition, dated March 1990. People buying the very latest packages should be getting the new manual. But this raises the problem about updating the manuals. The manuals are NOT the usual 3 ring binder type which one would expect for compilers (which are prone to errors in the manuals) but rather a set of wire-bounded books which makes it difficult to change pages. The errata material in the "readme" disk file is getting a bit lengthy. I'm wondering now what the policy is going to be regarding buying the new manuals. It certainly would be cheaper if they could send out loose-leaf updates when you send for compiler upgrades. Anyway, I'm already stuck trying to port my program from Sozobon C to Lattice C. The compiler seems fussier than I like. Still, assuming I haven't hit a compiler glitch, I suppose it will result in better code in the long run. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 01:12:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!jjung@arizona.edu (Robert Jung) Subject: lynx games To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul11.111616.4708@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >where are the 30 odd new games promissed they are slow to show up!!! You haven't been a Lynx owner long, have you? B-) In any case, let's remember (1) There's still another 5-and-a-half months before the end of the year. The "30 games release" is for all of '91. (2) Well, WARBIRDS has been released, and I've seen CHECKERED FLAG, TURBO SUB, VIKING CHILD, SCRAPYARD DOG, HARD DRIVIN', and ISHIDO for the Lynx. I suggest you read rec.games.video to get the latest Lynx news. (3) Atari's switching from one factory in Taiwan to three. If this is where Lynx games are manufactured, this action can understandably have an impact on game production. (4) This _is_ Atari, after all. Le sigh. --R.J. B-) P.S. You can always go buy Telegames' FIDELITY ULTIMATE CHESS CHALLENGE for the Lynx, too. And I hear that Telegames' QIX and KRAZY ACE MINIATURE GOLF are due out this month... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # ## # Send replies to jjung@nunki.usc.edu # ## # ## ## ## I wrote this. If you've got a comment, give #### ## #### it to me and let's cut out the middleman. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 03:49:13 GMT From: tove.cs.umd.edu!hong@mimsy.umd.edu (sze nam hong) Subject: mac rom/ mono multisync forsale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a pair of Mac 128k rom (real apple), I don't know the current going rate, but I would like to get something > $100. Please send me offer, (or tell me I am asking too much. I also have a multisync GS (gray scale) monitor by NEC, I dont have the manual, looking for $130 I pay shipping, or best offer. Please send email to hong@tove.umd.edu Sze Hong ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 05:00:08 GMT From: tove.cs.umd.edu!hong@mimsy.umd.edu (sze nam hong) Subject: mac rom/multisync mono forsale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a pair of Mac 128k rom (real apple), I don't know the current going rate, but I would like to get something > $100. Please send me offer, (or tell me I am asking too much. I also have a multisync GS (gray scale) monitor by NEC, I dont have the manual, looking for $130 I pay shipping, or best offer. Please send email to hong@tove.umd.edu Sze Hong ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 00:37:13 GMT From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Mupfel w/Neodesk 3 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've seen some wierdness when using Neodesk 3 and Mupfel, any help would be appreciated: If I run Mupfel (the CLI portion of Gemini) from Neodesk, upon exiting Mupfel I will be returned to the desktop, not back to Neodesk. This is regardless of whether I have Neodesk configured to unload itself before executing Mupfel. Also (and stranger) if I run Mupfel from Neodesk, any program I run from Mupfel will run _twice_. If I type "arc -v filename.arc", it will execute normally, then execute again! This happens consistently, and I assume is related to the above problem. It isn't only arc that does this, it's any program (I believe), and I've tried it with PATH set to null and no aliases. -- ############################################################################## # Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill # # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 # ##### Opinions expressed are my own, though you'd be wise to adopt them! ##### ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 18:57:04 GMT From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: NCS Demo To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I just got NCS_DEMO from atari.archive last night and I was very impressed. However I'd like to talk to someone who has actually used in for pixel recognition ( ie. handwriting and that sort of thing ). The system says it can handle that sort of thing but they don't show it off in the demo. Actually I'd be interested in talking to anyone who has used the actual NCS software. Stephan -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 20:45:43 GMT From: cc.gatech.edu!dave@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Dave Aylesworth) Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am having a difficult time configuring a used mega 2 I just bought with TOS 1.4 and a Tweety sound board installed. I am trying to use it with my SH205 hard disk. I get random bus errors(2 bombs) and illegal instructions(4 bombs) when executing programs on the hard disk, especially anything in the AUTO folder. I also can't get the machine to boot off of the hard drive when I use HINSTALL.PRG from atari.archive. If anyone has a setup similar to this please let me know how your system is set up (how you formatted your drive, what is in your AUTO folder, etc.) Thank you in advance. dave@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 20:46:10 GMT From: cc.gatech.edu!dave@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Dave Aylesworth) Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am having trouble unpacking HDX301.LZH off of atari.archive.umich.edu. I get CRC errors when unpacking it with a couple different programs. Could someone please let me know where a more reliable version is or mail it to me. I need HDX 3.01 and HINSTALL 3.01. Also from what I was able to extract, the dialogue boxes say it is version 3.0 ??? Thank you in advance dave@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 23:42:18 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mp s.ohio-state.edu!linac!unixhub!lll-winken!taco!taco.cc!twmanino@arizona.edu (TONY W MANINO) Subject: Pagestream 2.01 Shipping! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In case anyone is interested... I requested the update to Pagestream 1.82 -> 2.01, and I finally received it yesterday! I haven't had a chance to use it much, though, but I thought some of you guys might want to know that it IS shipping! External observations... Comes with 4 disks: - Pagestream program disk - Pagestream fonts disk - 2 CompuGraphic fonts disks Documentation: - A staple-bound "QuickStart Manual" -- tells about installation of the software and gives a VERY basic start to desktop publishing. - A "User Guide" -- This is a spiral bound manual, as opposed to the 3-ring binding of the previous version. I find this easier to work with; it lays flatter, and the pages are easier to turn. - A function reference card. I'll comment on the workings of the program once I get a good grasp of the new features. (I'm sure I won't be the only one!) Tony twmanino@eos.ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 13:55:12 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-sta te.edu!linac!midway!clout!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: PageStream VS Calmus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul9.205549.5488@msb.com> ritz@msb.com (Chris Mauritz) writes: > >The only reason, however, I could see for buying an ST for DTP is a >severely tight budget. A Mac Classic or Mac LC with Pagemaker costs >a little more, but provides superior results. No comment about a Mac LC, but I'd have second (and third, and....) thoughts before undertaking DTP on a Mac classic. Something about small, moderate- resolution screen and limited RAM. I've used Pagestream for some small, intricate stuff, and it works very well for that. I believe the question concerned jobs on the order of magazine production, and the obvious place to ask would be around Current Notes and AIM. I believe they're both done with Calamus now, but DON'T take my word. If Chris is really mellowing with age, more power to him. Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 21:17:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!maytag!watmath !mwtilden@arizona.edu (Mark W. Tilden) Subject: Racter: Is there a ST equivalent anywhere? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu C.M.Borges' limerick program reminded me... An old Scientific American article once discribed a program called 'Racter' which was a nonsensical syntax generator. It could form perfectly correct grammatical sentences but of often hilarious content. So good that it was used to generate the book 'the policemans beard is half-constructed'. Is there a similar one for the ST anywhere? Is all. -- Mark Tilden: _-_-_-__--__--_ /(glitch!) M.F.C.F Hardware Design Lab. -_-___ | \ /\/ U of Waterloo. Ont. Can, N2L-3G1 |__-_-_-| \/ (519) - 885 - 1211 ext.2454, "MY OPINIONS, YOU HEAR!? MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 02:20:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!midway!clout!chinet!irons@arizona.edu (Jim Irons) Subject: ST software for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is a repost of a previous message with an updated list. I am giving my Atari to the kids and want to sell most of my ST software collection. These are all original release diskettes, most with the original documentation. They are priced to sell as I need the money to buy a scanner for my 386SX. I have the following items: All-Aboard $5 Alt $3 Ansiterm $3 DBMan v. 3.00G $10 Deep Space $5 Disk Doctor $3 Elite $5 Flexcessory $3 Flight Sim & sc.7,11,Er $15 Hrd Dsk Accel $3 High Roller $5 Interlink-ST $5 K-Switch $3 Leviathan $3 M-Disk Plus $3 Major Motion $3 Menace $3 Mi-Term 3.0 $5 Multi-Desk $3 Oids $3 Oscar $3 Personal Pascal $5 Procopy & A-Copier $5 Renegade $3 Rogue $5 Silent Service $3 St-Control $10 StKey $3 STOS & Compiler $15 Sundog $3 Tanglewood $5 Test Drive $5 Tracker $3 Trivia Challenge $3 PC-Ditto I $10 This is an editted list with all items remaining as of 7-6-91. If interested in any or all of these please call Jim Irons at 708-386-0804. Make me an offer for the whole thing and I'll come down even further. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 23:27:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!maytag!watmath!ljdickey@arizona.edu (L. J. Dickey) Subject: Two Questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9107081656.AA08301@cwns6.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu asks about MidiMaze II documentation in English. The Atari user's group of Kitchener - Waterloo (called KWEST) posted a translation of this to Atari Archives at University of Michigan some time ago. You can get them there, in the directory "atari/games", with the name "mdmz2doc.lzh" . Happy Midi Maze II. -- Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 20:29:36 GMT From: bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!douglas@uunet.uu.net (Douglas C White) Subject: Wanted/For Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking to buy a used monochrome monitor for my 1040st. Also I am selling my complete Master Tracks Pro sequencer package with the latest version (3.5 I believe). If interested or wanting to sell please reply.. Thanks, Doug White (508) 831-5237 (weekdays) (508) 835-6772 (eves, weekends) or reply via net -- Douglas White douglas@wpi.wpi.edu Dept. of Chem. Eng. WPI ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 91 20:57:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!grapevine!t witterpater.eng.sun.com@arizona.edu (Steven Grimm) Subject: Zoo 2.1 - first impressions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Zoo 2.1 is pretty impressive, all right. As soon as someone submits a working ST version to both the sources and binaries groups, I'll start accepting submissions in zoo 2.1 format. It'll be nice to get away from the lharc controversy once and for all. (I have no special attachment to the program, as some have claimed; it just gave the best compression at the time.) My results, on a directory with sources, SPARC executables, and object code: -rw------- 1 koreth 529819 May 14 17:01 g.zoo -rw------- 1 koreth 592796 Jul 11 13:12 g.lzh -rw------- 1 koreth 618165 Jul 11 13:49 g.tar.Z -rw------- 1 koreth 751796 May 14 17:01 g.oldzoo -rw------- 1 koreth 829703 May 14 18:01 g.arc Not too shabby. --- Steven Grimm koreth@eng.sun.com Moderator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st "We must be brave, and not let them know how frightened we really are." -- OPEN LOOK Graphical User Interface Functional Specification ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************